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		<title>By: welcome to the funcave &#187; come get your learn on!</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisrue.com/funcave/2005/08/stupid-is-as-stupid-thinks.html#comment-181</link>
		<dc:creator>welcome to the funcave &#187; come get your learn on!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2006 00:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] particularly the idea that sbs isn&#8217;t a real server. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: happyfunboy</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisrue.com/funcave/2005/08/stupid-is-as-stupid-thinks.html#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>happyfunboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 04:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>vlad:

i do understand where you're coming from...because i used to be an enterpriseland dude myself. and there are "design features" in sbs that hinder someone from learning all there is in the higher-end versions of windows server. no argument with that either.

but the notion of whether someone's using a "real" system kinda smacks to me of arm-wrestling between geeks. which is never a pretty sight.

to me, ignorance is not in relying on a wizard...it's all in not knowing whether to rely on it or not...and that goes for sbs or other versions of windows server.

you and i have prolly both seen enough bad installs, shoddy administration, piss-poor design or all three to know that ignorance/arrogance permeates the technology consulting industry like a bad smell.

the main issue i have with terming one "real" and the other not is...in the end you're effectively telling a customer that their business is somehow beneath you. 

similar to susanne "hey...that's funny" dansey's point about the word "small" that she mentioned in robbie's session at smb nation. the connotations send all the wrong messages.

either that or a client is  getting oversold beyond all reason.

and both of those things tend to make me a very angrymadboy

btw: when i say "you," i don't mean you personally, vlad. but you should already know that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vlad:</p>
<p>i do understand where you&#8217;re coming from&#8230;because i used to be an enterpriseland dude myself. and there are &#8220;design features&#8221; in sbs that hinder someone from learning all there is in the higher-end versions of windows server. no argument with that either.</p>
<p>but the notion of whether someone&#8217;s using a &#8220;real&#8221; system kinda smacks to me of arm-wrestling between geeks. which is never a pretty sight.</p>
<p>to me, ignorance is not in relying on a wizard&#8230;it&#8217;s all in not knowing whether to rely on it or not&#8230;and that goes for sbs or other versions of windows server.</p>
<p>you and i have prolly both seen enough bad installs, shoddy administration, piss-poor design or all three to know that ignorance/arrogance permeates the technology consulting industry like a bad smell.</p>
<p>the main issue i have with terming one &#8220;real&#8221; and the other not is&#8230;in the end you&#8217;re effectively telling a customer that their business is somehow beneath you. </p>
<p>similar to susanne &#8220;hey&#8230;that&#8217;s funny&#8221; dansey&#8217;s point about the word &#8220;small&#8221; that she mentioned in robbie&#8217;s session at smb nation. the connotations send all the wrong messages.</p>
<p>either that or a client is  getting oversold beyond all reason.</p>
<p>and both of those things tend to make me a very angrymadboy</p>
<p>btw: when i say &#8220;you,&#8221; i don&#8217;t mean you personally, vlad. but you should already know that.</p>
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		<title>By: Vlad</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisrue.com/funcave/2005/08/stupid-is-as-stupid-thinks.html#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>Vlad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 04:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'll have to admit I've been guilty of calling Windows 2003 Standard/Enterprise the &lt;B&gt;real&lt;/B&gt; server simply to illustrate the point that running Server Wizards &lt;B&gt;DOES NOT&lt;/B&gt; make you a windows system administrator. If you're trying to learn about Windows Server infrastructure, active directory configuration, site-to-site links, replication, failover, clustering....... 

You need to practice on a &lt;B&gt;real&lt;/B&gt; server because those options are not available on SBS (or even standard for the most part).

As for the rest of the issues you've faced while watching TS2... There is always that one dude.. and I've visited dozens of cities.. always one dude that just cannot stop being stupid out loud. Unfortunately, people like that truely ruin the presentation for everyone else that came to learn about partnering with Microsoft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll have to admit I&#8217;ve been guilty of calling Windows 2003 Standard/Enterprise the <b>real</b> server simply to illustrate the point that running Server Wizards <b>DOES NOT</b> make you a windows system administrator. If you&#8217;re trying to learn about Windows Server infrastructure, active directory configuration, site-to-site links, replication, failover, clustering&#8230;&#8230;. </p>
<p>You need to practice on a <b>real</b> server because those options are not available on SBS (or even standard for the most part).</p>
<p>As for the rest of the issues you&#8217;ve faced while watching TS2&#8230; There is always that one dude.. and I&#8217;ve visited dozens of cities.. always one dude that just cannot stop being stupid out loud. Unfortunately, people like that truely ruin the presentation for everyone else that came to learn about partnering with Microsoft.</p>
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		<title>By: astanton</title>
		<link>http://www.chrisrue.com/funcave/2005/08/stupid-is-as-stupid-thinks.html#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>astanton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sweet .. Nice post Chris!

Anne</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sweet .. Nice post Chris!</p>
<p>Anne</p>
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